', But when he went to speak, he found himself tentatively agreeing to the plan. The band loudly declared their love for Petty at their shows. Just don't let too much time go by before you do something or it could be too late. You know, I probably squandered a lot of good time. Is it better to take time off, or work through it until it comes back, or?Call a friend. Zanes, now fifty, was telling the tale the other day, while ducking out of the rain for coffee at Benvenuto Caf, in Tribeca. Guitar Saved Me!: Jeff Beck Looks Back in Never-Before-Heard Interview Audio Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Just listened to an interview with Jimmy Iovine on the Howard Stern Show last year. Thats how, in a very roundabout way, Warren Zanes, a deputy professor at New York University, came to write Petty: The Biography, a new book about one of rocks most enigmatic figures, and his band, the Heartbreakers. All Rights Reserved. I was ashamed. He was the original drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers for 18 years until his departure in 1994. The drummer looked back and opened up about his time with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers during a recent appearance. All you need is a CD burner and $300 and you too can have your record on the Internet. That was probably part of the charm was that I didn't know, and I think the very thing that used to be charming became a burden to [the Heartbreakers]. And what it basically translated to was, "Fuckin' have some fun with this, wouldya?". Its become a very special moment and the crowd picked up on the love between us.. It has a special vibe when its just the two of you. And so we started closing the show with it. Hes a rock and roller. But a lot of that has calmed down. Lynchs run ends after a June 26 show in Aspen, Colorado. Since leaving the Heartbreakers, Lynch has gone on to become a successful producer and songwriter, performing those duties with Henley, the Mavericks, Ringo Starr, Matraca Berg, Toto and many others. But one of you is gonna change, because you can't coexist in those two different universes. So I think that sorta nailed it on the head, I heard that and I never forgot it. I remember when the other guys I was working with would say, "We're only making 300 a week!" And then we got together when we were old fucks and we played some clubs. I would have never bet on that.. . For Zanes, the tour should have been heaven on earth. MD: What was your state of mind when you finally got the call that you were fired from the band? If I had a record label, I'd sign him. Heartbreakers Howie Epstein was cut loose because of his heroin addiction. I think hunger makes the best sauce, and I think that fortune, money and all that shit that comes along with it can really.working too close to your comfort zone is not necessarily great art. Stan Lynch's income source is mostly from being a successful . Drummer Talk 273 So you want to MD! We hit a really sweet harmony, says Campbell. Below Deck Sailing Yachts Daisy Kelliher Is the Best Chief Stew. I sat down at the drums and I didnt know whether to cry or barf. We got beyond it. It's funny, you know, working in a band is a chop; it's just another chop. Go to AA meetings, whatever it takes! It was still like.this is incredible, I don't want to die here, this is great! We grew up loving Tom Petty more than his contemporaries. ), Looking back at that intense time all these years later, Lynch says he wishes hed handled the situation a bit differently. I sat and talked to him a year ago, and it was like my long lost brother. Despite those undercurrents or perhaps partly because of them, the partnership often served as a perfect vehicle for Lynch's talents. And I think to try to predict what a group of people will buy is sad and frightening [laughs]. -Liberty DeVitto Hewitt2 Senior Member Sep 15, 2020 #2 His parts fit those TP songs so well. Yeah, you tank. I imagine it's him saying, "You know, I'm only gonna put the best shit on my songI don't want one of these to die; they're hard to come by.". But I really had to let go of it or else I would walk around constantly trying to tell people who I used to be. Here are a couple of albums Stan has worked on that are worth checking out: Barry Sides "Broken Hearts Broken Strings", Dixie Desperados , Drew Copeland and Gregg McMillan's first solo album. I was on my fuckin knees, staring at the sky. That happens when the pain becomes too much and you live in a world, in a culture, where people have reached in the direction of heroin to stop the pain. Petty is a rock star who is also a member of a band that has been together since the mid-seventies, and it is difficult to be one without undermining the other. That may be. Collaboration is a whole other thing, you have to let the collaboration happen, and that's a wonderful lesson to learn. It was very high level, a lot of looks behind the eyes that said entire paragraphs, and they were all good. Jimmy Iovine is known to have obsessed over the drum sound in Pettys 1979 album Damn the Torpedos, which Iovine produced, and Lynch became the object of his frustration. Id need you to play a leg of the tour. LikeEverclear - Art Alexakis is talented! I knew that there was the capacity within that group to push boundaries, he says. Jeff [Lynne] is a constructionist from the Brian. That was not a problem for me! Because every night I went out and watched Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Mike is a pivotal player in a previous life of mine. He ended up recording harmonies on the bands Warner Brothers dbut album, and he brought the Del Fuegos with him on tour. Family of Tom Petty Partners With Gun Safety Group for Voting Ad, One night, they started warming up backstage by singing Stories We Could Tell, an obscure John Sebastianpenned song that Petty and the Heartbreakers often played in their early days. This was unsettling for everyone in the group besides Campbell, who worked extensively on the album, but Lynch voiced his objections the loudest. Heres the important point. It's really nothing to have a record deal now, it doesn't mean anything. So of course he's gonna stick his head up from behind the car with a court jester's hat on and missing teeth. In what ways do you think that the business is easier, and in what ways do you think it's harder for artists starting out now than it was when you started?Well it's easier because it's an accepted form of livelihood. I could have been more applied as an artist earlier, you know, I could have made more of a statement for myself. But for many drummers, his playing defines the late rocker's greatest work. "The coolest thing about this is that I get to put a bookend on a really, really long book of life," says Stan Lynch, second from left, of reuniting with Mike Campbell, third from left. I've been extremely curious about what's gonna happen if? Just go! I was feeling very insecure about them. And he died soon after. Lynchs current shows with Campbell will end in June. Below Deck Sailing Yachts Daisy Kelliher Is the Best Chief Stew. In light of your experience of being in a band for so long, what advice would you give to band leaders to help the chemistry; what do you think is the best possible way to bring out everybody's creativity in a band situation?The truth of the matter is the best bands, including the Beatles and the Stones and the Who, have a core of creative fire to them that needs to be nurtured before the other people need to be nurtured. I figured, "Well I'm off the road, my job's done, whoopeeee!" There were moments that I really treasure with those guys that can't be duplicated, you'll never get it again. Stanley Joseph "Stan" Lynch (born May 21, 1955) is an American musician, songwriter and record producer. Right now, Campbell and the Dirty Knobs are on a brief break before returning to the road in late May for another long string of shows that includes stints opening for Chris Stapleton and the Who at arenas and even a few stadiums. Then youre at this party and you hear rumblings that George Harrison is in the building. In Lynchs mind, it was a Heartbreakers song. When I heard from Mike, I almost said, Thats probably not a good fit, but I appreciate the offer. But at the same time, that's why I sorta go back to my original assessment, some bands that last 10 minutes, it's 10 minutes too long. Ive seen enough that I know that I dont need to see much more Bigger isnt better.. I take care of my life, I can cook, I can do other things, but music is everything that it always was - it's still the biggest goddamn thing in my life. (For a detailed account of this saga, check out Warren Zanes definitive book Petty: The Biography. Huh? I think, like Michael Jordan always says, that the fundamentals are what make people great. It's great when you actually find somebody that doesn't hear music the way you do and you start to love them for it. But hes never really opened up about his split with Petty and the band. Stan Lynch, the bands longtime drummer, who eventually quit in 1994, is unsurprisingly the most critical of Petty. In interviews and subsequent history, it sounds like he could be challenging to deal with, but almost the entire Tom Petty catalogue that constitutes the core of his legacy features Stan. Stanley Joseph "Stan" Lynch (born May 21, 1955) is an American musician, songwriter and record producer. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. But they're in it for a different ride. Last week, Stan Lynch was interviewed atthe Matheson Museum in Gainesville, Florida. You were open to doing an authorized version, right? Stan had never heard me sing before, and he was the main harmony singer with Tom. And you just let him go. If you know right from wrong, you speak up. If you listen to the old records, Stan and I are pushing, were locked, and lot of times were driving the songs. But you follow your gut on that one. This is the first time Im talking about it in any depth.. With $100 in his pocket, Stan Lynch drove his dad's VW bus from Florida across country to L.A. in 1974. I could have moved forward without him. They Took a Third Date to Costa Rica. He hopes hell get another chance to play with Campbell in the future, but he says hes ready for whatever happens. All rights reserved; all wrongs avenged! Among his more pointed criticisms concern the song Stop Draggin My Heart Around, which Petty did with Stevie Nicks. A lot of people in this business seem to forget why they wanted to be there in the first place, their values really change a lot. In Pettys interviews with Zanes, he was as forthright and honest as he is in his songs, talking about his abusive father, his failed marriage, and his heroin use. Then I heard him at a gig talking to a guy in another band. Or, you know - go grow avocados for a year! Well, if your ego gets in the way and that's what's dominating your thinkingThat would be so sad! "Oh! I didn't know; I was so unsophisticated. When we got back together for the Bridge School Benefit it was just misery. And if you need me to explain it to you any better than that, I will. But other people will drag things out of you and it's beautiful if you let it happen. So I think that a lot of people made their best work when they were hungry 'cause they had to. There sat the fantastic coffee. I mean, some guys bat .310 one year and then the next year they bat .145. During a three-night stint at the Roxy in L.A., in the mid- eighties, Petty got in touch and invited the group to his place in Encino. There was a lot of things that were not said that should have been said, he says. But I don't know why other people really get burned by it, it really hurts them. Like, if Jimi Hendrix had quit when the first 3 guys rejected himI'm just using Hendrix because he's such an icon to me. My music life especially has always felt very cartoonish! You just have to be man enough to hear it, rather than keep trying to change it. Hell, it certainly hurts when you spend a year and the record isn't noticed. It's either the only thing wrong with that band is you're in it, or the only thing wrong with that band is that he's fucked up. I was wearing this brocade jacket and had long, bushy blonde hair. It comes up in weird ways. And it reverberated for years, some people never got over it. Because my nature was to be there 20 minutes early with fuckin' bells on! In addition to academic papers on rock, he wrote the 33 and 1/3 book on Dusty Springfields album Dusty in Memphis. Around 2000, he stopped listening to new musicexcept for Tom Petty. I mean I'd say thatjoy and curiosity have overwhelmed stagnation and bitterness. 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When original Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers drummer Stan Lynch was let go from the group in 1995 or "excommunicated," to use his own term he started a new chapter of his life in Florida as. There are a lot of producers and labels that actually do that.I'm sure they do! I reintroduced myself. Therefore I should do a duet with N'Sync!" All rights reserved. But if you changed you'd be compromising what you've been all about. Yes. And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. Without doing any research, I couldn't tell you what erstwhile Heartbreaker Stan Lynch has been doing with his life for the past three decades. Out came Petty, walking his walk, carrying the manuscript. 82.4 KB Views: 214. I didnt need to be that way. That is what I thought rock'n'roll was. This site is nonprofit, but is not a registered nonprofit organization or entity. I think I have some Tom nuances in my voice. The Del Fuegos were originally an Oberlin band that Dan Zanes, Warrens older brother, started with some college friends; Warren joined after Andover. Stan Lynch was the original drummer for The Heartbreakers. We all know who the super managers are, we know who the good labels are. The coolest thing about this is that I get to put a bookend on a really, really long book of life, he says. Pick up the May 2008 issue of Modern Drummer at music stores, book stores, and newsstands everywhere! In other words, he won't shut up! I didnt talk to the Bogdanovich people, Lynch says. So I wanted to put the drums down. Flash forward to the 1980s. Drummer, producer and songwriter Stan Lynch's career reads like a rock'n'roll fairy tale: from 1975 to 1994, as a founding member of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Lynch toured around the world, enjoyed a string of hit records, and gained high acclaim as a drummer's drummer among his peers. We never even tried one of my songs., When the tour ended, Zanes left the band and went back to New England, drifted around, and ended up in New Orleans, where he became a bike mechanic. The Heartbreakers are hardly a case study in intolerance. When he released that safety valve out. Send us a tip using our anonymous form. How deep into your hole of shit do you need to go? I was very grateful. The old, art commerce divide where people go, oh, its too commercial. The other thing, I was just talking to somebody who was watching a live Tom Petty concert on a computer, no between-song banter. Work. Now, everybody has a CD. Stan was the lone extrovert in this band of introverts. And in five minutes or so, Tom Petty comes out. It's usually somebody that has the seed of an idea that he's gonna protect. What do you do if you've had a long run of success and then your music goes out of style with the public taste, your sales are flagging, and there is a lot of pressure from people to change. No matter how hard I tried, they saw through me! Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. Thats kind of the Heartbreakers code. 'Cause I mean, an artistic life is a pretty bizarre life anyway, a lot of artists don't ever get paid till they're dead, they're not even noticed - and even then! ), Drummer Talk 271 Agents and Managers 301, Recycled Percussion to perform in Super Bowl Pre-Show, Semisonic Drummer Slips on Ice, Breaks Hand. Now theres a book in itself.. From Bruce Springsteen to Graham Parker to Elvis Costello. Also: recaps of my international speaking engagements and pop culture oral histories featuring beloved figures of books, music, TV, and movies who rarely if ever have been interviewed. [laughter] That's a totally appropriate description of my career at times! They were laughing their asses off, says Lynch. When I hear that old shit on the radio I can't believe that it's part of the musical vernacular, that it's been accepted for so long as real. [laughter] I mean, I know that. I couldn't get over it, I always was much more lighthearted about it - even in the darkest days of my drug frenzy, which lasted a full month [laughter]. The behind-the-scenes look at my books, from research adventures to promotion gambles. It never felt that strange. Its a moment in which these guys, no matter how corny it might sound, they were kind of falling in love with each other. 90.9 KB Views: 172. I found out hes turned out to be quite a gentleman and a real brother to me., It also turned out they needed a lot less time than they anticipated to lock back in musically. I had a kit in my house, and I had to take it away. Otherwise it can becomeit's just fetishism, it's just "This is my personal fantasy"of what everyone will love. His father beats him. Thats when it fell apart with Stan., The tensions between Lynch and Petty had been building ever since the late 1980s when Petty recorded with the Traveling Wilburys and followed that up with his first solo album. 2023 Rolling Stone, LLC. What do you do in that situation?I think the real question then would be: what are you in it for? Warren himself had been a Tom Petty fan since he was eleven, when he heard Breakdown on WBCN in Boston. I watched really depressing people get more depressed. And hes just kind of patting this thing and Im thinking, This could go any one of ten thousand ways. I get a good chapter out of this. I didnt want to find out anything that would compromise the mans dignity, Zanes said. Songwriter, musician. You learn them. The other guys might have had a little more expectation, so there was more disappointment for them. Longtime Petty manager Tony Dimitriades fired Lynch on the phone shortly after the show, and the drummer didnt say a word to Petty until the group was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002. Its because hes trying to succeed at something that his own family failed at, sometimes dramatically. The idea for a new unauthorized Tom Petty biography came from a surprising source: Tom Petty. Tom Petty was always part of the bands DNA. I have the slang and the cadence and the understanding of how those songs are supposed to be translated. Stan: Tom had basically told me I wasnt the right drummer for him anymore. The 200 Greatest Singers of All Time Receive updates & special offers from Modern Drummer and our advertising partners. Its felt really nice to get my friend back., They finally met up a few months ago at Campbells Los Angeles home studio he calls Knobville. Ad Choices. I mean, to me the most rock'n'roll thing you can do is not give a shit! April 25, 2022 Andrew Gulden 1. But then, when he left his marriage and moved into a house, by himself, things slowed just long enough that all of that past came right as hes coming into the pain of not being able to control the well-being of his kids and not being able to control a dialogue with his ex-wife. And George Harrison looks at me and says, Its Brian Jones, back from the dead. Of course, George knows enough what a man who wants an autograph looks like. Yet, you've actually taken better care of yourself and remained healthier mentally and physically than many of your contemporaries.For me it was always - I really wanted to live! It was almost like in Men In Black. Petty was our guy. You gotta find your crowd and then you gotta give it up to them a little too, you know; you can't force them to love you. The other obvious question. I don't get the angst. Among his more pointed criticisms concern the song "Stop Draggin' My Heart. Very few go forever, you know. And I interpret that in any way I can: that means spiritually, financially, they know the rudiments, they know their scalesthey've done their homework! I think he was invested in being caught in that cycle in part because there was so much movement in it all that the trouble from his past was kept at bay. I mean, there were days when I was bitter about it, I thought, "Oh, man, I should be Keith Moon!" Theres also the matter of last years Peter Bogdanovichdirected Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers documentary Runnin Down A Dream. Print Profile Email Profile View Stanford-only Profile Tab Menu . And therefore if I'm gonna sell I have to play to the means. Ive thought about having different singers up there doing the songs, but why? When I heard what happened, it put me right down on my knees, literally. Now, what records should I produce that will sell to them?" It's like, for me, "Thank God Tom sold a lot of records 'cause now I can enjoy making music!". That's that old story, by the time you figure that out, they're on to something else anyway. I was still young and I didnt really understand what he meant by groove and feel. I remember asking Denny, What does that mean, can you quantify that? So I think a smart band leader has gotta be a good casting agent and a benevolent dictator. At 45, Stan Lynch appears to be comfortably making the transition from archetypal wild rock drummer to trusted elder statesman - all the while retaining the same enthusiasm that made him stand out as a drummer, showing a keen interest in helping young artists through the struggles of building a career. If I ran a record label, probably one of the first things I'd do is drop half the roster. Other guys in the band were going like [growling], "Nobody lets me sleep anymore. Now there's a book in itself." Any book about the fifty-two-year-old Lynch would surely be an entertaining, fairly hilarious read. Over and over and over and over and over. Now what? He left the band in 1994 due to personal differences with Petty. I park and go to the lounge outside his studio. When a Tom Petty record came out, it was an event. They were the best and brightest at the game for a minute there, and I was in very rarified air and extremely good company for a moment there. And so I have regrets, but they dont hold me back. I pretty much showed up at his door the next day, and he said, Welcome to the next chapter.. Sep 18, 2019 #32 John DeChristopher DFO Veteran. But usually, in all of those great bands, there's a lot of creative contribution by all of the musicians. Which is great, I mean, that means you certainly don't have to compromise! I said, How do you digest two albums worth of material? They went, Thats Wednesday for me. Bissonette was going, You chart them out. He is from OH. Show Reviews. Another intense moment in the show is Southern Accents. Midway through the tour, Campbell changed the lyrics from Theres a dream I keep having where my mama comes to me/And kneels over by the window and says a prayer for me to Theres a dream I keep having where my brother comes to me Its a change of just one word, but its had a profound impact on the crowd. But we dont mind our heroes being human. I was pleased to see that was still there. That is the fuckin' ride. Lets get right to this. Stan Lynch, the band's longtime drummer, who eventually quit in 1994, is unsurprisingly the most critical of Petty. I'm not overly celebrated; I feel like I was given just the right amount of notoriety that I could handle. Apart from the enduring work he crafted with the Heartbreakers, Lynch's stage and studio credits as a drummer also include the likes of Bob Dylan, Don Henley, Aretha Franklin, The Eurythmics, Roger McGuinn, Stevie Nicks, Del Shannon, T-Bone Burnett, and Warren Zevon. You have left the Del Fuegos. I wouldnt want to let anyone down, says Lynch. But Saturday night in Boulder, Colorado, he was right back where he should be - backing up Mike Campbell and playing Tom Petty songs. Youll know it when you know it. Sure enough, we went back to the studio and we got two tracks that night. . She was having a moment. 6,156. All rights reserved. I didnt need to be that way. When he gets married, its the same thing. And he was dissing Stan Lynch for being behind the beat. Stan Lynch Since 1977, the world's most widely read drum magazine: in print, online, and the Modern Drummer app. If anyone is going to think heroin is an option because they know my story of using heroin, I cant do this. And I just had to work with him and say, I think youre going to come off as a cautionary tale rather than a romantic tale. But I wanted to show that Tom Petty is a man who lived the bulk of his life in the album cycle. A week! 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