0000004008 00000 n I'm going to print out this table and keep it handy for future reference. The table below can be used to see if your gun was proofed in London or Birmingham. 0000084840 00000 n H|TMs0+Vcv~$C4=[Yb$9?dowy3YY^TO~&nV;r6gReI LiFZj2C&-zR` 1968 = XXIV. 178 0 obj <>stream 2: A re-bored rifle. 0000007161 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. NRA Museums: PROOF MARKS - Comparing the proof marks on your gun to this chart may help you determine where and when your gun was made, including guns where no other markings are evident. The fifth a crown, with three crossed spikes set over a capital E. Other French towns had their special marks, such as or E.C. 0000108581 00000 n T^;y} 4E I wonder what the odds of a real Walker turning up in Switzerland are? Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. 0000039614 00000 n marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. 1851 Navy Engraved .44 Cal Nickel Black Powder Revolver. The history of some of these makers and importers are no longer available due to lost records. These two, and sometimes the makers private mark, may be found on many old weapons. 0000046756 00000 n The butt is marked "PFT FIE ITALY", etched "5K8 12 80755". Good info. PN under a star is an Italian black powder proof. The Standard mark for French Government arms was a crown above an E., and this crown has a three looped top, with the orb or ball and cross as ornament, and is so distinguished from the cross-crested crown of some St. Etienne weapons. An additional listing showing old PN in French does indeed mean Poudre Noire, but as most BP handguns we see these days are made in Italy then it stands for Polvere Nero - Italian for black powder. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . trailer FOOD, 0000005072 00000 n There is a complete lack of many records, but with the assistance of many replica collectors from around the world, and especially in France and Italy, we have been able to identify many of them. 0000136869 00000 n to identify the manufacturer. Armourers marks are quite distinct from proof-marks, and comprise the private marks, ciphers, stamps, or signatures of the individual armourers or gunsmiths. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. the examiner in determining the caliber designation of a military These marks tell the country of origin of the weapon. 0000109981 00000 n 0000064924 00000 n referred to more commonly as "Proof Marks", Make: Italy (Proof marks are inconclusive to manufacturer) Model: Old Model 1851 Serial Number: E2690 Gauge/Caliber: 44 Black Powder Action Type: Black Powder Revolver Barrel . Interestingly, the spout/measure of the powder flask that came with my revolver only measures 19 grainsby weightof the blackpowder. This mark is found on guns that is not made in Belgium by countries that use proofs that is not recognized by the Belgian Proof House. 1968 = XXIV. Says made in italy on barrel. I saw that as wellnote that AE was used, but "BE" is skipped. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000029262 00000 n 1949 = 5 . Many old guns may have been re-proved once or more, often in a different proof house from the original one. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. 0000002668 00000 n Price: $380.00. I will continue to add to the "library" as new marks are made aware of. Italian firearms date year of proof codes. Web site designed & maintained by Cap and Ball Revolvers . 0000001474 00000 n NRA Life Patron, US Navy 1967-2001; Vintage motorcycle racing, restoring; CAS; Trap; Skeet; US&World History; Work DoD weapons R&D. 0000051585 00000 n August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM #10: Fingers McGee. Very unusual underhammer as the cocking knob is a better design so you can grasp it easier and. LSB#: 210317JM01. 0000080589 00000 n time, therefore assisting in dating the arm. 0000037713 00000 n 0000007663 00000 n 0000052569 00000 n 35 0 obj <> endobj Flog?5BnS'Vz] Wd;No$wBj2O56~N)T%D-69_f)Bl[RfU[aSV. Product Catalog Revolvers made in Italy Most relevant Alphabetically: A-Z Alphabetically: Z-A We recommend Special offers BA 112 Magazine-Tube Pump-Action Shotgun Brand: Best Hulu Arms 5% discount for over 250 pcs order. 0000039738 00000 n Also has pn with shield on cylinder. 0000010034 00000 n 0000012277 00000 n 0000120205 00000 n 0000051690 00000 n Specifications: Manufacturer -- Fusav di Bini & Baronio (Italy) Date Code -- "AD" = 1978 date of manufacture Barrel Markings: Left side -- 36 Cal. 0000006823 00000 n During the heyday of the reproductions, there was a great deal more sharing of parts among the Italian manufacturers than was ever suspected. 0000005702 00000 n PROOF MARK CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN 1891-1928 Budapest smokeless powder proof for parabellum pistols Since 1981 Ferlach smokeless powder proof for parabellum . reference books that display proof marks and their meanings. 0000105361 00000 n On our website you can find manufacturers and suppliers of guns and ammo from all world. Definitive proof applies to all weapons and shows that the weapon has been tested with an overcharge of propellant and missile. Worldwide Logistics for all your products. be reproduced, in part or in whole, without the written permission of '. The well-known Waffenamt Nazi symbol was actually a military acceptance mark, and not a proof mark. firearms. 0000008724 00000 n 1970 = XXVI. 0000080518 00000 n 0000134772 00000 n Your gun appears to be made by one of the lesser known companies as it doesn't say Uberti or Pietta. 0000001796 00000 n The year of The hammer also wont engage the safety notches (too wide). There were a good many very small family shops in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy like MOFRA and others. Pietta. Feedback. Powered by Invision Community. 0000001752 00000 n To make purchases and use the full site services, register or login your account, Shooting accessories/Guns storage/Training, Immediate shipping on a all products listed, Contract - 5.56 x 45mm 62 Gr. Mf+wwJcC] }oUA!o=}OWWAn7 Rifles & Musket Information. x4hjF%1I'WVH">^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream 0000013676 00000 n 0000131632 00000 n 1991 = BA. 0000026203 00000 n You are using an out of date browser. Applies primarily to guns made outside the U.S. Information courtesy of The Blue Book of Gun Values by S.P. Beretta used no date code in 1944. These marks have all the characteristic appearance of a rectangle, with a small blob at the top rather like a tied up sack of corn. Not common but very neat. I have searched for this site but can't find it. 0000096658 00000 n Marks, Arsenal & Inspector Marks. conformity of German Proof Law of 1891. CD - 2009. 0000042008 00000 n Black Powder only Cal. I'd bet that CE was skipped as well (as are all "G" combos). I cant seem to find the exact one any where. are cottage industry type weapons without a specific brand name. Well worth some research. 0000088591 00000 n C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? 0000002933 00000 n 0000060740 00000 n 0000050991 00000 n Once tested and successful the weapon was stamped with a seal to 0000005284 00000 n 1873 cattleman new model black powder muzzle loading Showing all 17 results Default sorting Sort by popularity Sort by newness Sort by price: low to high Sort by price: high to low 0 (tr_WXvvL6Eu'}OI U-XY!A:Xnid~g,~:@ZP&kl$VsYA<5FTbf]0>okJ!wK9ae0 Lc#As;$'NS.7 5bUSGD}pzYVn5"I-6.K3obuGUQ,qe2F'.2sAI/.Dr\,:cyH=y39'vT-[ 6T 0000080946 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Originally evolved by the armourers themselves, the system of proof was in nearly every arms-producing country taken over by the Municipality or the State, who imposed a series of stringent by-laws and penalties on any who sought to evade the prescribed tests. Barrel length is 5 3/4" and overall length is 11". 0000069587 00000 n 0000057983 00000 n St. Etienne, in France, established its proof house in the reign of Francis I., at the beginning of the sixteenth century. Proof marks are the official stamps or ciphers showing that a barrel has been properly tested with the prescribed excess charges of powder and ball that allow a large factor of safety to the user. Military firearms can be difficult to identify because they 0000002052 00000 n Knowledge of commonly used military ammunition assists The AE is the proof mark and that is decoded as 1979. Black powder proof for rifles and shotguns. The PN stamp means "poudre noir" or black powder proof. Saillevillean E. reversed set in a square stamp (as shown below). Peacekeepers, Molalla River Rangers, ORANGE COUNTY REGULATORS,UP THE CREEK GANG ,LIFE MEMBER OF JACKSON HOLE REGULATORS,DOOLEY GANG,PRAYER POSSE, Robbers Roost Vigilantes, Dammit Gang, RO II, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. Predictably, speed jumped from around 750 fps to well above 900 fps. The gun is a good shooter but the hammer comes down solid on the nipples, enough that the hammer isn't fully down. Usually, these replicas are made by companies such as Uberti or Pietta, but smaller, lesser known Italian companies often make these as well. 0000038284 00000 n 0000008989 00000 n Birmingham had also a proof, but this test was not obligatory, and makers evaded the tests. for exports be able towithstand a proscribed load without damage. Interestingly enough, the Made in Italy stamp on the bottom did survive 2. 0000078152 00000 n Ste., 1-D, Santa Ana, CA 92705 | 800-430-1310 | 949-261-6611 | Fax 949-756-0133. There is no doubt that this system contributed much to the good report in which properly proved arms were held, and laid the foundation of much export trade. These marks are customarily the cipher of the gunsmiths guild and the mark of the State or city. INTRODUCTION Most imported black powder replica revolvers are stamped with a variety of markings - Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish or other Proof House symbols, manufacturer's symbols, and importer's symbols along with an encoded date of proof, also considered the date of manufacture. It is usually a combination of heraldry and letters or logos, which need to be decoded in order to determine the actual manufacturer of the reproduction. They are often found in combination with proof-marks, and still more frequently on unproved arms made in countries where no official proof was existent. J. 0000016002 00000 n black powder proof house stamping, and Gardone proof house stamping. Ever wonder what all those stamp marks on your Italian cap 'n ball revolver mean? 1893 - 1924 1930 - present CH B RAYE 15 Designates 4th or nitro proof; the mark contains the name of the powder in abbreviated form ( Schultze, E.C.) 0000006039 00000 n 0000016410 00000 n Can be without . Anyways, the modern stampings are needed to produce a legal firearm in Italy (black powder p [roof testing and overall firearm inspection proof for example) and to allow it to be exported/imported into the USA by a number of importers/vendors under mass or individual contracts. Italian Proofmarks & Dates of Manufacture 1945 - 2030 By Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire Start new topic Posted December 20, 2013 Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date) This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm 1990 = AZ. will normally provide the information needed to make a caliber Price: $525.00. I have not been able to locate an authoritative resource No specifications as to the bullet. You can choose to work with makers from Italy directly or contact distributors for a more varied assortment. E.M.F. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up works for Beretta, Benelli and other Italian firearms. 0000004339 00000 n "Proofs" as they are sometimes referred to have changed over My wife and grand kids and my kids. The majority of marks will be found on the barrel flats, though early guns may have stamps on the tubes, under the forend. Italian Firearms Year of Manufacture Look Up. 0000001896 00000 n If poorly timed, rough and ill fitted revolvers are exported to the USA on a regular basis the actual proofing may also be skipped. '9+ }`=swrE-OqmU>zAw$aAY@O| 0000003320 00000 n A voluminous schedule of rules and scales of charge for the proof of various kinds of small arms is in existence, and the proof is the same at London and at Birmingham; though different proof marks are employed. . Markings: The top of the rifled barrel is marked "Col. LeMat." surrounded by a decorative border, the left is . 0000001623 00000 n %PDF-1.4 % December 20, 2013 in SASS Wire, Here are the codes for knowing when your Italian-manufactured firearm was made (proof date), This is from an Italian shotgun Website: shotguns.se/html/italy.htm, http://www.dakotaskipper.net/ebay/Italian_Proof_Date_Codes_1945_-_2030.pdf. It has the two proof marks and the letters PN but nothing else other than the serial number. 0000000016 00000 n THE PROOF MARK IS A STAR OVER PN. 0000003744 00000 n 0000039418 00000 n 79 0 obj <>stream Re-proof mark, seen on black powder rifles which had been proofed with nitro powders. 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver Redi-Pak .44 Cal. ITALIAN PROOF MARKS CIRCA PROOF HOUSE TYPE OF PROOF AND GUN since 1951 since 1951 since 1951 Brescia Gardone Gardone & Brescia provisional proof for all guns provisional proof for all guns definitive proof for guns with smokeless powder finish proof for firearms ready for sale 1st black powder proof since 1951 since 1951 Remington New Army 1858 as copied by the Confederate Army during the Civil War. Taking the bbl off is the first thing I did - there are no markings on the underside anywhere. xref 0000004778 00000 n HV{PTwjrh"1 fv] 0000115678 00000 n 1860 Army Engraved Black Powder Revolver .44 cal Blued. with this information in an attempt to clear up some wrong information It is becoming apparent that the major manufacturers used these shops as sub-contractors as a source of parts as well as complete revolvers for those distributors seeking cheaper and cheaper guns. These include the Birmingham did not establish its proof houses until 1813, and though another Act was passed in 1815 to strengthen the former, the laws were not stringent enough, and the Birmingham proof was not recognized as sound until much later, when the Act of 1855, still unsatisfactory, and the eventually satisfactory one of 1868, was passed. But I am starting to believe this is true. 0000011024 00000 n FABBRICA ARMI F.LLI PIETTA DI PIETTA GIUSEPPE EC. The third is a plain stamp, with the letters A.V.E. 0000001247 00000 n Seen Serial Numbers. This type of proof is designed to prevent the manufacturer from continuing work on barrel blanks which may have hidden defects. Navy Model Right side -- Black Powder Only -- Made In Italy Bottom flat -- "BFB" (manufacturer's mark) Caliber -- 36 (.380 round ball) Firearm Gardone & Brescia BP in 44 Cal Revolver Gardone and Brescia Italian Black Powder in 44 Cal Revolver; blued finish, brass frame and wood handle grips, 6.25" barrel, 13.5" overall length, six shot capacity, front fixed and rear grooved sights; barrel is marked w/ 'star over shield' and 'star over PN' proof marks (identifies Gardone & Brescia as armorer), MADE IN ITALY; frame is marked . U.S.A.Most pistols exported from the United States are not proof marked in their country of origin. 0000078152 00000 n August 19, 2012, 03:46 PM # 10: McGee! 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